Holly Wainwright

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Hello, Holly Wainwright here.

I'm an executive editor at Mamma Mia and I have been part of this business, an independent women's media company, for more than a decade now.

I have seen a lot, but being independent has always meant that we don't have anyone telling us to play it safe or to avoid the topics that feel a bit too messy or uncomfortable for a boardroom full of dudes to handle.

And I never take that for granted.

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I just want to tell you, this is one of the best interviews I've ever had.

Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia Out Loud.

It's what women are actually talking about on Wednesday, 6th of May.

I'm Holly Wainwright and the first thing I'm going to do, the first order of business, very simple.