Holly Wainwright

So the cascade of impact is significant.

And so I can go, right, well, I'm going to get the train to the city this week instead of driving.

But I still need to drive to get there.

There's a lot of driving that Australians around the country have to do.

If you live in the suburbs, our cities are sprawling suburban centres.

If you live in the suburbs, public transport isn't great.

If you live in the regions, it isn't great.

It doesn't exist in rural places.

So it's a bit tricky to say.

Just get on the train.

Which is what I think many people want to happen.

We don't want everybody out there right now to be like, oh, my God.

I think that worrying about this is a very reasonable, rational, fair thing to do because we live in really scary times.

Like we do, it would be gaslighting to say that we don't.

But on the other hand, we've got no choice.

No.

We've got to just stay rational, focus on what you can control.

And laugh about cloned corgis because, like, really, I think it's really, we've been talking a lot in the office about how, and people are comparing this to, like, how much did you panic at the beginning of COVID?

Yeah.

And whether or not that really changed the outcome for anybody.