Holly Wainwright

Made, also made odder by the caption.

That's true of all children.

Yes.

And, but I think that's true.

There's clearly a lot of stuff going on here.

And I, you know, we're getting to later in the conversation today, we're going to be talking about women getting attacked for telling their stories and like, she's allowed to write what she wants and think what she wants.

But you're right that there's a specific dynamic going on, but this is much broader than that.

The boy-mom thing and the whole, like, I don't want them to get married.

I don't want them to leave me.

And, you know, you can get bumper stickers like daughters are for life and, you know, sons will break, like all that stuff.

It's not specific to these two people.

This is a much bigger thing.

And I find it really interesting.

Now, Mia wrote about this a few years ago.

One of the most viral things she's ever written, and we've talked about it on the show several times since, was about how...

watching your son growing up will be like the longest breakup of your life."

And that hit a lot of nerves with people in a good way, resonated with them, and got shared enormously well.

It also got a little bit of criticism from corners, which was a misunderstanding of what Mia meant.

But also I think it's a trap for girls because we talk about boys and girls so differently in this way where we say, he's going to grow up and leave me one day.

He's going to live his own life and he's not going to be around to satisfy all my nurturing needs all the time.