Holly Wainwright

It's like if you see David Beckham kissing his daughter, it's eww.

And if you see a boy posing with his mum in a bikini, it's eww.

It's like you're making it weird, guys.

All families are different in terms of their physical affection.

She did put it on the grid.

It's an odd moment to put on the grid.

Made, also made odder by the caption.

That's true of all children.

Yes.

And, but I think that's true.

There's clearly a lot of stuff going on here.

And I, you know, we're getting to later in the conversation today, we're going to be talking about women getting attacked for telling their stories and like, she's allowed to write what she wants and think what she wants.

But you're right that there's a specific dynamic going on, but this is much broader than that.

The boy-mom thing and the whole, like, I don't want them to get married.

I don't want them to leave me.

And, you know, you can get bumper stickers like daughters are for life and, you know, sons will break, like all that stuff.

It's not specific to these two people.

This is a much bigger thing.

And I find it really interesting.

Now, Mia wrote about this a few years ago.