Iain Carter

It's amazing to watch a marathon, to watch it finish and to watch the clock stop with a one at the start of it, because obviously it's a huge barrier.

It is equivalent to a four minute mile in terms of what it means.

But I just want to try and explain that how much of it is due to the shoes, how much of it, it's astonishing how much it's changed people.

in the last five years and that's you can take that through from 800 meters up you can take it all the way through 100 meters it doesn't matter so much 400 but from 800 meters it starts to tell and when you get to marathon it's extraordinary um and the the one final thing on it is and sophie rayworth actually the newsreader who's an absolutely committed runner

And she got injured.

She's got a book out.

Sarah's got a book out.

But what that means is if you're running religiously in those shoes, your calf and your Achilles are not getting trained and worked in the way they should.

So ideally you should train in flat or older shoes and then perhaps just race in the newer ones.

But if you run religiously in those shoes that are giving you all the assistance, well then the muscles that you're sparing and saving in terms of energy are not getting developed and working as much.

So yeah, good golf podcast this.

They put you with the boss.

My goodness.

It's just standing.

I mean, there's lots to talk about as well in terms of Lytham has been announced.

We'll maybe come on to that later because we've got lots of touring to talk about as well.

But Lytham and the changes that will be necessary there for it to appear in a couple of years' time.

But back on the... Well, it never left the rota, but it's been a long time since the...

The Open was there, 2012, so we'll talk about that as well.

But the golf was kind of captivating as well.