Ian Bogost

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439 appearances 2 recordings 2 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 7 Jul

Ian Bogost’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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And instead of turning on the faucet, you like wave your hands under it and hope it works.
And then you do that with the soap and the toilet and the towel dispenser and maybe the door too.
And that's, I mean, those are like systems that have digital components in them, but they're not computers or smartphones.
Another example I talk about is just economic.
It's about the incentives to own things and the fact that if you're able to own a home or even an automobile, that you have incentives and inspiration and rationales to connect with it physically.
And that's not really about the phone either.
So I tried really hard in the book to be honest about where I think the problems lie.
And they are partly computational and they're partly related to the whole internet thing.
But yeah, I think we've overestimated the degree to which smartphones have ruined our lives.
Well, you know, as I've been living this whole life of trying to make sense of this thing that I call gratification, and I truly and earnestly believe in this, I started realizing that...
That sense of like addiction or compulsion or whatever you want to call it.
I mean, I'm just as guilty of it as anyone.
I'm drawn to the phone and the apps.
But that it was kind of just like my attention system or the things in my life I was accepting as interesting were narrower than they could be.
And once I was like, you know, like my water bottle, though.
right, with its like rubber base that sits down against the counter.
That's kind of, that's super interesting.
You know, the feel of my desk in front of me, the gravel on the street, on the neighboring street when I walk down it, it crunches underfoot.
It's kind of as interesting as my iPhone in a certain way.
And they're much more plentiful.
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