Ian Bremmer

When they hit Diego Garcia, there's a wake-up call that, wait a minute, they have capabilities that they've been hiding and lying about.

They're not necessarily about their nuclear weapons capability, but they can just be as terrorizing to the region and to Western interests.

And I think that is a...

whole new wake-up call.

And if we head into negotiations, unlike the JCPOA, you can expect that the non-nuclear weapons capabilities will be a big part of the negotiation.

I think that

The Israeli leadership and the American leadership have two different measures of what is success, Jess.

What should be the focus?

There is some overlap, but they do have two different measures of success, which is to say, I think Israel's experience is Iran has been a menace to Israel, to the region, to the West, to the world, and there's no negotiating with this regime.

The regime has to go.

Now, how it goes and what replaces it is open for debate and obviously is a subject of discussion within the Israeli leadership.

And the Israeli leadership is not explicitly saying success or failure is determined based on regime change, but that's effectively where they're at.

Whereas the American leadership, I think Trump in particular, is open to that if it doesn't require a long, drawn-out, multi-month war.

He's also open to a version of Venezuela.

right?

Delcy Rodriguez.

Who's our Delcy Rodriguez?

You know, it's not regime change.

Instead, as Neil Ferguson has coined the term, it's regime alteration.

Can we just alter the regime into one that's much more manageable and that we can deal with?