Ian Bremmer

So they're talking to their national security advisors, their chief of staffs and the rest.

But the point is, once you've built a network, it's a matrix.

it is a whole bunch of people that are interconnected with each other.

They meet constantly, they share information constantly, they have different perspectives, but they do have a general shared understanding of what's happening in the world, much of which they're not necessarily saying to other people.

And if

you build those relations over time, the ability of any one individual leader to spin you, that'll be true if you're, that'll be a problem for you if you only talk to that leader.

But if you have a broader set of relationships, that one person spinning you isn't going to be very effective at all.

And I think that that is, I see this happening all the time with media sources who are deep, deep journalists, but they're deep journalists on the basis of a very strong connection with one individual leader or government that gives them all their information.

And that's a problem.

because then even if the journalist is really good and really professional, all of the scoops they're getting, all of the analysis that is really, feels like it is not in the public domain, but needs to be out there is only from one perspective and one filter.

And so they're at risk of being spun.

And even if they're not being spun, they likely are promoting a very narrow worldview, which does not really help the readers get what's happening globally.

I'm a political scientist.

Do you feel like... I'm not there to like break news or write stories.

I'm really there to try to understand like how...

I don't know.

Again, I think that for...

You know, Fareed Zakaria is someone I consider almost an alter ego of mine.

And I say that in the most friendly and respectful way.

I mean, like we know the same people.