Ian Bremmer

We do the same speeches.

We talk constantly.

We've written together.

I mean, all of this sort of stuff, right?

I've been on his show.

He's been on my show.

His show's a lot bigger.

And he started out as a political scientist.

He has a PhD in political science.

He's written a lot of books.

Right.

And and most people think of him as a journalist, not a political scientist.

But I think that his access and certainly among Americans that are recognized as journalists, he has better and more trusted access to world leaders than anyone that I know.

And I think that that access comes because he's approached his relationships with all of these people over the years more as a political scientist.

I do believe that.

I think that it's more about his post-American world.

It's more about, he is seen as, yeah, he's writing columns, but what he's really doing is trying to figure out where the world is heading.

And those leaders value

his views on that he's not he's not there principally just to interview them there to the extent that they're interested in coming on his show sure they'll try to spin them but let's face it you know cable news cnn on the weekend is not the biggest thing these leaders could be doing to get their their voice out there what they really want is access to him

And I think that is different than journalism.