Ian Cherrington

But what I would say, even though that person –

may have been drawn into it.

Behind it is often still these issues around grievances and tipping points.

You still have these problems in their lives.

A lot of these cases aren't purely about the belief in the cause.

Underneath it is a personal crisis or a personal kind of view of themselves.

And so that's why with younger people,

They're almost easy targets because they'll pick someone who's vulnerable, who's got a bad life, and give them meaning and purpose and belonging and all this sort of thing.

So a very dark kind of approach, really.

Yeah, so I mean, it's worth emphasizing the fact that because it's a grievance, it's so extreme.

If you think someone's willing to go all the way to do an attack, it has to be at the high end of extreme.

And so often these people will hold these views.

They've built them up either online or through other people or by themselves or through other people.

Trying to debate with them would be quite difficult.

And it's this idea, isn't it, of like if you've got a view, if someone argues against it, you become more entrenched.

Yeah, and modern society now is very polarised, isn't it?

It's kind of all or nothing.

Post-COVID, this idea that opinions are facts.

And so it's very difficult, actually, to do that.

Sorry, I like that.