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So talk to me a little bit about that. Because again, as kids, we always try to fit in. But that actually... sometimes pulls the wrong things from us and we become somebody that we are not necessarily. And I think for you, there's also, it came with anxiety and other things. Talk to me a little bit about that, John.

So talk to me a little bit about that. Because again, as kids, we always try to fit in. But that actually... sometimes pulls the wrong things from us and we become somebody that we are not necessarily. And I think for you, there's also, it came with anxiety and other things. Talk to me a little bit about that, John.

And that's interesting because now that I see you, it's really hard to imagine this, but do you have a moment that you remember as a child where that anxiety or those panic attacks just overwhelmed you?

And that's interesting because now that I see you, it's really hard to imagine this, but do you have a moment that you remember as a child where that anxiety or those panic attacks just overwhelmed you?

Wow. How did you cope with that? Or how did you learn to cope with that? Or maybe that's many years later. Talk to me a little bit about that, John.

Wow. How did you cope with that? Or how did you learn to cope with that? Or maybe that's many years later. Talk to me a little bit about that, John.

Which is true. And also that achieving things, and we'll talk about it later, that achieving thing is something that it's like a carrot that always moves, right? There's always one more thing to achieve. Those who are on YouTube will see some of the awards behind you. There's always something to achieve.

Which is true. And also that achieving things, and we'll talk about it later, that achieving thing is something that it's like a carrot that always moves, right? There's always one more thing to achieve. Those who are on YouTube will see some of the awards behind you. There's always something to achieve.

And that pull is never like you never really have an opportunity to hold on to that pull for more than one second because the target just moved for you. So if that's the thing that makes you happy, it becomes really, really tough thing to chase, I assume.

And that pull is never like you never really have an opportunity to hold on to that pull for more than one second because the target just moved for you. So if that's the thing that makes you happy, it becomes really, really tough thing to chase, I assume.

You are somehow growing up as kind of a shy individual, right? Trying to fit in. You run into eventually, not even that early on, but you eventually run into this book that changes your life. First of all, what made you say, you know what? I want to tackle memory, right? Because again, we're all trying to always think what's next. And you had a steady job, boring, but steady, right?

You are somehow growing up as kind of a shy individual, right? Trying to fit in. You run into eventually, not even that early on, but you eventually run into this book that changes your life. First of all, what made you say, you know what? I want to tackle memory, right? Because again, we're all trying to always think what's next. And you had a steady job, boring, but steady, right?

What made you say, you know what, this is the way to stand out. This is what I want to follow. I mean, this was not that long ago.

What made you say, you know what, this is the way to stand out. This is what I want to follow. I mean, this was not that long ago.

I want to stop you here, John, because I think a lot of the people that will listen to this podcast, this is where they really need something, right? Like they're going to sit in this board meeting and they have this great idea, but they can't speak. Or somebody is now putting them in the spotlight and the words don't come out or they come out blah.

I want to stop you here, John, because I think a lot of the people that will listen to this podcast, this is where they really need something, right? Like they're going to sit in this board meeting and they have this great idea, but they can't speak. Or somebody is now putting them in the spotlight and the words don't come out or they come out blah.

This is exactly what a lot of people need to cope with. It's that anxiety or that, how do I even concentrate at this level? How do I even get myself out of the pressure and actually perform? Two questions. What helped you then at that moment, the first time, but also you trained yourself to not get in those moments, I think, or at least I don't see these moments with you right now.

This is exactly what a lot of people need to cope with. It's that anxiety or that, how do I even concentrate at this level? How do I even get myself out of the pressure and actually perform? Two questions. What helped you then at that moment, the first time, but also you trained yourself to not get in those moments, I think, or at least I don't see these moments with you right now.

So talk to me a little bit about what that looks like.

So talk to me a little bit about what that looks like.