Imogen

Yeah, exactly.

that like that but i am against if it's negligence so so it's called the birth keepers right it's called the birth keepers the podcast is called the birth keepers um and that's kind of what they call themselves because they're not legally allowed to call themselves midwives right and yeah it's really really interesting and it's kind of like an investigation into it obviously since then

the people that it's about have come out saying this is slander and rubbish and a load of crap.

Oh, so we need to listen before it gets taken down.

I really want to listen to this.

I think you should listen to it and then maybe we should discuss it as a whole topic.

It is longer, but I think it would entice you.

Probably just under an hour.

Do that on times five.

we were talking about this and part of me was we were like is it that it's really hard because I have never been very religious at all yeah me neither so it's very hard for me to understand how that can affect your life so heavily but at the same time I'm like does he truly believe because of his because he was religious he was brought up really religious blah blah blah

Does he truly believe that he is a prophet and that he is being spoken to by God and therefore he's allowed to do this?

Or is it more, I'm going to be manipulative and use the God thing as an excuse?

I don't know where that line is.

The daughter's not 17.

Yeah.

The daughter who's almost, the daughter's almost 19.

She had her daughter at 17.