Ira Glass

Stop the count! Okay, so that's where Jeff was back then. A Republican-led investigation in the state Senate later found no fraud, no harm to the vote count in Detroit. But Jeff is still convinced to this day the Democrats were in there throwing illegal ballots into the system.

Jeff started to work on election stuff full time after that. Became the number two person at an activist group called Michigan Fair Elections that does all sorts of lawsuits and election monitoring and public education. That's how he ended up on election night 2024 as one of the lead Republican election challengers in Detroit.

Jeff started to work on election stuff full time after that. Became the number two person at an activist group called Michigan Fair Elections that does all sorts of lawsuits and election monitoring and public education. That's how he ended up on election night 2024 as one of the lead Republican election challengers in Detroit.

The location in Michigan, I think it is fair to say that Republicans were most suspicious about. Before he retired, Jeff was a systems guy in the auto industry. He's got the air of a very sincere dad patiently helping you with your homework. He also likes a good tagline. Educate, investigate, litigate. That one came up in a bunch of stories he told me.

The location in Michigan, I think it is fair to say that Republicans were most suspicious about. Before he retired, Jeff was a systems guy in the auto industry. He's got the air of a very sincere dad patiently helping you with your homework. He also likes a good tagline. Educate, investigate, litigate. That one came up in a bunch of stories he told me.

So that's Jeff. And here's the moment that I thought was interesting. When I told Jeff this breaking news about the trucks with California plates at 11 p.m., this election skeptic was not having it.

So that's Jeff. And here's the moment that I thought was interesting. When I told Jeff this breaking news about the trucks with California plates at 11 p.m., this election skeptic was not having it.

He tells me that 11 p.m. is when you would expect ballots to show up at the convention center. And there's three supposed boat stealers in the video posted on X. They're carrying a white box, a red bag, and another box.

He tells me that 11 p.m. is when you would expect ballots to show up at the convention center. And there's three supposed boat stealers in the video posted on X. They're carrying a white box, a red bag, and another box.

It's interesting that you activists have become such experts that you're correcting misinformation that other people are putting out now.

It's interesting that you activists have become such experts that you're correcting misinformation that other people are putting out now.

I should say, for all the factual information that I saw Jeff give out on election night, he and his group do also spread information that does not seem as credible. Like, for example, the idea that Michigan's voter rolls, which, like other states, have a lot of inactive voters on them, are a real problem and might be used for widespread fraud. Michigan's Secretary of State disputes that.

I should say, for all the factual information that I saw Jeff give out on election night, he and his group do also spread information that does not seem as credible. Like, for example, the idea that Michigan's voter rolls, which, like other states, have a lot of inactive voters on them, are a real problem and might be used for widespread fraud. Michigan's Secretary of State disputes that.

He and I talked about it. Neither convinced the other. On election day, Jeff and the other Republican poll challengers that I talked to, they were pretty happy with what they were seeing. Throughout the day, they all said the same things to me. That Detroit had adjusted a few procedural things in handling ballots since 2020. And those fixes were working.

He and I talked about it. Neither convinced the other. On election day, Jeff and the other Republican poll challengers that I talked to, they were pretty happy with what they were seeing. Throughout the day, they all said the same things to me. That Detroit had adjusted a few procedural things in handling ballots since 2020. And those fixes were working.

Ballots were counted in batches of 50 by small teams. Nobody moved on until there was agreement about each batch. It was a good, clean count.

Ballots were counted in batches of 50 by small teams. Nobody moved on until there was agreement about each batch. It was a good, clean count.

And what's the mood inside between the Democratic and Republican vote watchers? Calm and cordial.

And what's the mood inside between the Democratic and Republican vote watchers? Calm and cordial.

There's been very few needs for adjudication. Adjudication to settle disputes. Jeff is involved in those because he's one of the lead Republican challengers.