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There's been very few needs for adjudication. Adjudication to settle disputes. Jeff is involved in those because he's one of the lead Republican challengers.

15 times or so out of how many votes is that? 78,000 processed. If Harris wins, say, in Michigan... Would you believe the result? Yes, I would, based on what I've seen here. That is a really remarkable change, that in 2020, you're saying you don't believe the result. And you're saying this time around, even if Harris wins, you're inclined to think that you're going to believe the result.

15 times or so out of how many votes is that? 78,000 processed. If Harris wins, say, in Michigan... Would you believe the result? Yes, I would, based on what I've seen here. That is a really remarkable change, that in 2020, you're saying you don't believe the result. And you're saying this time around, even if Harris wins, you're inclined to think that you're going to believe the result.

Yes. He and other Republicans said this to me throughout the day, well before the results came in. And I'll be honest, I am not sure I believe they all would have stuck by that if Harris won. After all, last time, it seems like nothing happened that could throw an election. Many court cases and a bipartisan state Senate investigation found no evidence of a steal.

Yes. He and other Republicans said this to me throughout the day, well before the results came in. And I'll be honest, I am not sure I believe they all would have stuck by that if Harris won. After all, last time, it seems like nothing happened that could throw an election. Many court cases and a bipartisan state Senate investigation found no evidence of a steal.

But they found all kinds of evidence and continue to believe it. But this time, Trump won. And the election doubters have been pretty quiet. Late in the evening, or I guess it was the early morning, after it became clear that Michigan and the rest of the swing states were going to go for Trump, I asked Jeff if he felt like this was partly his doing.

But they found all kinds of evidence and continue to believe it. But this time, Trump won. And the election doubters have been pretty quiet. Late in the evening, or I guess it was the early morning, after it became clear that Michigan and the rest of the swing states were going to go for Trump, I asked Jeff if he felt like this was partly his doing.

like his years of work on election monitoring that paid off in an election that he could trust. Did he feel a sense of victory?

like his years of work on election monitoring that paid off in an election that he could trust. Did he feel a sense of victory?

This is not going away, the doubts about elections in our country, the scrutinizing and arguing over them. It was interesting, in the wake of Trump's very solid victory, there was mostly the Democrats you saw on social media wondering if the election was stolen. It wasn't a ton of that.

This is not going away, the doubts about elections in our country, the scrutinizing and arguing over them. It was interesting, in the wake of Trump's very solid victory, there was mostly the Democrats you saw on social media wondering if the election was stolen. It wasn't a ton of that.

It was a tiny whisper of a complaint compared to the nonstop multimedia barrage of videos and charts we got in 2020 from Republicans. But if the election had been more of a real squeaker and Harris lost, I bet we would have heard a lot more of that. It is easy to see the appeal of that kind of doubt. Act 3. Oh, what a tangled web we weave.

It was a tiny whisper of a complaint compared to the nonstop multimedia barrage of videos and charts we got in 2020 from Republicans. But if the election had been more of a real squeaker and Harris lost, I bet we would have heard a lot more of that. It is easy to see the appeal of that kind of doubt. Act 3. Oh, what a tangled web we weave.

Okay, a quick heads up before we start this next story, that it mentions a part of the male anatomy. Take that under advisement. Pro and con. It's not what you're going to do. It is not what the story is about. The story is about a creepy and dangerous creature that does all kinds of terrible things. It's also about somebody who takes issue with every word that I just said about that creature.

Okay, a quick heads up before we start this next story, that it mentions a part of the male anatomy. Take that under advisement. Pro and con. It's not what you're going to do. It is not what the story is about. The story is about a creepy and dangerous creature that does all kinds of terrible things. It's also about somebody who takes issue with every word that I just said about that creature.

And they want a recount. They want a reconsideration. They want us all to examine the facts and stop believing the fake news about this creature. Lily Sullivan met up with this person to hear her out.

And they want a recount. They want a reconsideration. They want us all to examine the facts and stop believing the fake news about this creature. Lily Sullivan met up with this person to hear her out.

Lily Sullivan is one of the producers of our program. Kelsey Padgett is the co-host of the podcast Fierce Rivalries, about big rivalries in history, but also gossipy, petty feuds of all sorts. It is available wherever you get your podcasts.

Lily Sullivan is one of the producers of our program. Kelsey Padgett is the co-host of the podcast Fierce Rivalries, about big rivalries in history, but also gossipy, petty feuds of all sorts. It is available wherever you get your podcasts.

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