Ira Glass

Zach Mack. He's a producer at Vox Media. This story was a collaboration with NPR's Embedded podcast, which, if you haven't heard them, you should check them out. They have lots of documentary stories like this. David Kestenbaum and our staff worked on the story here. The staff who worked on it there were producers Dan Gurma and Ariana Garib Lee. Editing by Luis Trejas.

Zach Mack. He's a producer at Vox Media. This story was a collaboration with NPR's Embedded podcast, which, if you haven't heard them, you should check them out. They have lots of documentary stories like this. David Kestenbaum and our staff worked on the story here. The staff who worked on it there were producers Dan Gurma and Ariana Garib Lee. Editing by Luis Trejas.

Katie Simon is Embedded's showrunner. Some original music in this episode was composed by Peter Leonard. Fact-checking by Greta Pittinger and the Embedded staff and Christopher Sertala on our staff. MBR's Embedded is releasing a three-part series about Zach's bet with his dad.

Katie Simon is Embedded's showrunner. Some original music in this episode was composed by Peter Leonard. Fact-checking by Greta Pittinger and the Embedded staff and Christopher Sertala on our staff. MBR's Embedded is releasing a three-part series about Zach's bet with his dad.

That gets into material that we did not have time for here, including some revealing conversations with his dad's friends and some more interesting stuff from Zach and his dad. It is available now. You can find Embedded wherever you get your podcasts. Well, today's episode was produced by Lily Sullivan.

That gets into material that we did not have time for here, including some revealing conversations with his dad's friends and some more interesting stuff from Zach and his dad. It is available now. You can find Embedded wherever you get your podcasts. Well, today's episode was produced by Lily Sullivan.

The people who put together today's show include Fia Bennett, Michael Kamate, Aviva de Kornfeld, Angela Gervasi, Cassie Halle, Rana Jaffe-Wald, Seth Lin, Catherine Raimondo, Stone Nelson, Nadia Raymond, Ryan Rumery, Alyssa Shipp, Frances Swanson, and Diane Wu. Our managing editor, Sara Abdurrahman. Our executive editor is Emmanuel Berry. Special thanks today to Avery Truffleman.

The people who put together today's show include Fia Bennett, Michael Kamate, Aviva de Kornfeld, Angela Gervasi, Cassie Halle, Rana Jaffe-Wald, Seth Lin, Catherine Raimondo, Stone Nelson, Nadia Raymond, Ryan Rumery, Alyssa Shipp, Frances Swanson, and Diane Wu. Our managing editor, Sara Abdurrahman. Our executive editor is Emmanuel Berry. Special thanks today to Avery Truffleman.

If you like our show and you want more of our show, we've been cranking out bonus episodes every two weeks. This week, the bonus episode is interviews with my cousin, the composer Philip Glass, including one where he sits at a piano and he explains what he hears when he listens to his own music. to get that and all of our bonus episodes. We've been trying all kinds of stuff.

If you like our show and you want more of our show, we've been cranking out bonus episodes every two weeks. This week, the bonus episode is interviews with my cousin, the composer Philip Glass, including one where he sits at a piano and he explains what he hears when he listens to his own music. to get that and all of our bonus episodes. We've been trying all kinds of stuff.

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Become a life partner. When you do, you also get ad-free listening. You get the special archive of our 100 greatest hits episodes that show up right in your podcast feed for your convenience. How do you get all this? It could not be easier. Go to thisamericanlife.org slash lifepartners. This American Life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the public radio exchange.

Thanks, as always, to our show's co-founder, Mr. Torrey Malatia. Fun fact about him, he has never seen a panda. He told me he's going to a zoo this weekend to do just that.

Thanks, as always, to our show's co-founder, Mr. Torrey Malatia. Fun fact about him, he has never seen a panda. He told me he's going to a zoo this weekend to do just that.

I'm Eric Glass. Back next week, more stories of This American Life.

I'm Eric Glass. Back next week, more stories of This American Life.

Next week on the podcast of This American Life, Brandon's first girlfriend dumped him because he was too obsessed with sports. So when he met Cecilia, he tried a new tactic. They were out, and a friend asked him about the Celtics. And he was like, I'm not that into sports anymore.

Next week on the podcast of This American Life, Brandon's first girlfriend dumped him because he was too obsessed with sports. So when he met Cecilia, he tried a new tactic. They were out, and a friend asked him about the Celtics. And he was like, I'm not that into sports anymore.

And then he had to live with that lie. Lies that make no sense. Next week on the podcast on your local public radio station. Bye.

And then he had to live with that lie. Lies that make no sense. Next week on the podcast on your local public radio station. Bye.