Irv Grossbeck

It remains to the present day, despite changing roles.

They're both really smart.

They work hard.

They're honest.

They have low egos.

And they have different skills to some degree.

I think Kevin is a little bit broader brush, and Brett is perhaps just a little bit more detail-oriented, which doesn't suggest at all that he doesn't have...

an enormous intellect because Brett does have an enormous intellect.

It has nothing to do with intellectual capability.

It has to do with orientation and how you think about things and how much of your time you spend on broad gauge issues, strategic issues, financing issues, as opposed to how do you make the trains run on time.

And Brett had a special talent for attracting people

who could get the trains to run on time.

Yeah, we did it at Continental because both Amos and I thought it was a good place to invest.

We had some free capital that was generated from time to time.

And we thought, well, we want to for sure invest it in...

The land grab, to use your phrase earlier in a different context, because the cable business was indeed a land grab for a long period of time.

But we also want to invest it in our own company.

And it served two purposes, one to allow us to put capital to work and the other to offer liquidity to people who wanted it.

And it was, of course, optional.

People could take us up on the opportunity or not.