Ishan Thakur

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wara says that utilities like PG&E have gotten much better at targeting, so only the highest-risk areas go dark.

Wara says that utilities like PG&E have gotten much better at targeting, so only the highest-risk areas go dark.

And Wara thinks Excel will get better at shutting off power and turning it back on in the future.

And Wara thinks Excel will get better at shutting off power and turning it back on in the future.

Power shutoffs are just one tool utilities across the West use to prevent wildfires.

Power shutoffs are just one tool utilities across the West use to prevent wildfires.

But they may become more common because of how hot and dry it is.

But they may become more common because of how hot and dry it is.

Getting used to the dark could be a new normal as more Americans learn to live with fire risk year-round.

Getting used to the dark could be a new normal as more Americans learn to live with fire risk year-round.

In Boulder, I'm Ishan Thakur for Marketplace.

In Boulder, I'm Ishan Thakur for Marketplace.

In Norse mythology, the fimblewinter is the three-year-long

In Norse mythology, the fimblewinter is the three-year-long

winter that precedes the end of days.

winter that precedes the end of days.

So it's kind of the final winter.

So it's kind of the final winter.