Jack Clark

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

Yeah, that's absolutely true.

But the distribution is changing.

Something that we found is that we are, the value of more senior people with really, really well calibrated intuitions and taste is going up.

And the value of more junior people is like,

a bit more dubious.

There are still certain roles where you want to bring in, like, younger people, but an issue that we're staring at is, wow, the really basic tasks code or coding systems can do, what we need is someone with tons of experience.

In this, I see some issues for the future economy, right?

Some of it is just building tools to monitor these agents, both inside Anthropic and outside Anthropic.

You know, now that we have all of these productive systems working for us, you start to want to understand...

where the code base is changing the fastest, where it's changing the least.

You want to understand where the blockages are.

You know, one blocker for a while was being able to merge in code because merging code requires humans and other systems to check it for correctness.

But now if you're producing way more code, we had to go and massively improve that system.

There's a general economic theory I like for this called O-ring automation, which basically says

automation is bounded by the slowest link in the chain.

And also, as you automate parts of a company, humans flood towards what is least automated and both improve the quality of that thing and get it to the point where it eventually can be automated.

Then you move to the next loop.

And so I think we're just continually finding areas where things are oddly slow, but we can improve to sort of make way for the machines to come behind us.

And then you find the next thing.

So...

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