Jack Clark

And we've learned a lot about what kills us and what doesn't and a batch kills someone here and eventually we get up for food safety.

But you're talking about a technology which in two and a half years can be spitting out bioweapons, nuclear weapons, etc.

So, and again,

Getting to the aviation safety is a slightly different story.

I was with aviation safety people this morning.

China is completely obsessed with planes not crashing, which is one of the reasons why technological development in China is really slowed.

I mean, one of the reasons why it's going to take them eight years to build a jet engine and then another seven years to roll it out is they're terrified about planes falling out of the sky.

We're not talking about that kind of industry here.

Okay, and we can come on to that in a second because I think that actually raises another type of question.

But let me just sort of put out my thing, right?

Okay.

What I worry about is that if...

In two years' time, something really catastrophic happened.

Critical AGI, mad, tens of thousands of mad cyber attacks, bioweapons release, etc.,

And somebody replayed these conversations that we're having.

They would not be that impressed because the gap between the catastrophe and the sort of reassuring stories about, well, the US government's taking national security seriously and the companies have voluntarily done stuff on bioweapons and we all know we need to get to regulation.

It doesn't feel like

There's quite the sense of urgency.

I mean, I had this recently with one of the big companies saying to me, after an hour and a half argument, listen, I agree with you, we should be regulated, but you've got to regulate all of us together.

If I were you, I'd be going out there and doing the regulation.