Jack Clark

The guys running OpenAI have to be good guys.

The guys running Grok have to be good guys.

I mean, are we in a world in which we're essentially saying that a bunch of voluntary good guys build these amazing weapons, and then they just choose not to release them, but nobody can tell them what to do?

Just explain it again for the audience.

And when it's improving itself, it would be as though the machine had 100,000 of the best software engineers in the world working 24-7.

And suddenly it would be able to improve much more quickly.

Because the techno-capitalists want us to allow it to happen.

Paradoxically, I think coordinating with China is easier than coordinating between these bunch of people sitting in Silicon Valley.

I think that I'm less worried about China than I am about how on earth you get.

So I think the Chinese Communist Party is relatively rational.

I think if China is convinced that this thing represents some existential threat to the Chinese Communist Party, to humanity, to et cetera, and they're six months behind, they have every incentive actually to come up with some regulation.

The people that I find much more difficult to understand coming on board is I don't really wake up in the morning and think,

Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman.

These are the guys that are really going to want to sit around.

I'm worried by this, Jack, because actually the story of that regulation was terrible.

There were a lot of kids getting poisoned with lead in their toys before that happened.

Or pessimism because...

Unfortunately, the examples you've given are much, much more slow moving.

And the tolerance rate for failure is much higher.

So food safety, you know, humans been eating food for 150,000 years, current species, right?