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Jack Clark

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
352 total appearances

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The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

You're assuming that quite quickly, in six months' time, Chinese companies will catch up or whatever.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Let me be challenging for a second and unfair maybe.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

I guess...

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

The anxiety, if you were listening to this, is that's maybe a little bit too confident and optimistic.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

You've sort of described a scenario which is a bit bumpy, but we come out the other end and things are a bit better.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Somebody listening to that might say, well, isn't there a scenario where actually that could be pretty catastrophic?

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

That period you've just described, before the white blood cells get going and some companies fail to adapt, some do, might actually be a description of AI models unleashing tens of thousands of unbelievably aggressive, effective cyber attacks, which could do shattering damage to the global economy.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Okay, my follow-up question.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Yes, your follow-up challenge.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

My follow-up challenge, right.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

So you basically, the narrative we got is you chose, you realized you had this thing.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

You chose not to release it.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Thank you, right?

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

But again...

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Listening to that, it's a bit like, well, these guys kind of built a nuclear bomb and they decided that was a bit dangerous.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

So they decided on their own volition not to let anyone have it.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

That's a bit worrying because that implies there isn't at the moment a government regulator

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

or somebody who told you, you can't release this.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Because now we have to gamble that it's not just you're being good guys.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Apparently, the guys running Gemini have to be good guys.