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Jack Clark

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352 total appearances

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The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Explain a little bit to the ordinary intelligent listener to our podcast, what are the potential threats of bioweapons and why you would need a particular structure to deal with it?

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

And it's a general model.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

It also would be quite good at writing Shakespeare sonnets.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

It's great at creative writing.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Just to understand, presumably there are two different things.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

One of them is that the thing will be much better at finding the bug or the little backdoor into your system.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

The second thing is that it presumably could mount many, many more attacks

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

very, very quickly and respond very quickly to the defense.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

So instead of some dude sitting in their backyard, trying something, failing and then trying again, this thing could be generating tens of thousands of these attacks and learning all the time.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Okay, now, again, sorry, Jay, I keep interrupting, but I just bring the audience along.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

We were told two years ago, don't worry about this, because exactly the same moment as the cyber attack capacity increases, the cyber defense capacity will increase.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Who told you that?

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Well, I don't know.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

But I mean, these are people that you know well.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

And in fact, some of them you were talking about before we came into the room, but I don't want to drop the minute.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

But I literally was with them two and a half years ago.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

I raised exactly this problem.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

And I was told very, very straightly by these people, don't worry about it, because cyber defense will increase at just the same speed as cyber attack.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Okay, quick break and then back for more.

The Rest Is Politics: Leading
191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Sorry, what won't be true for very long?