Jack Clark

You can't expect us to do it because we're in a race with all the others.

But what I don't see on the other side...

is where are people generating all the details of what it is that they want to test these companies on, regulate them on?

In fact, often what I hear is the company's playing devil's advocate and saying, well, come on, you want to regulate us?

Tell us what you want to regulate.

You're not telling us what you want to specify, right?

Famous people watched Oppenheimer, right?

There's a moment where those guys think there is a non-trivial possibility that when they trigger the first atom bomb, they could get a chain reaction that blows up the whole universe.

And they do it.

I mean, we know that about human nature.

We know that humans can be very worried about things.

We know that 30% of the engineers in Google could be very anxious about these things.

But we also know from things that have gone wrong in the past that companies can make catastrophic mistakes, notwithstanding the goodwill and the seriousness of the engineers involved.

Tell us a bit about this index.

Connecting those two stories together, in fact, three stories, mythos, risk, and jobs.

One of the things that worries me, and you were talking about the US government regulating, is that the US government could wake up in a couple of years' time and say, mythos 15.

we believe for national security reasons is too dangerous to release outside the United States of America, could launch these horrible cyber attacks, right?

Which point these frontier AI models become proprietary within the United States.

Europeans can't access the latest cutting edge frontier models.

And then there's a huge sucking sound as all the economic value is sucked out of Europe towards the United States where these AI native companies, your trillion dollar company with three employees are set up in the US on the basis of US frontier models.