Jack Clark

So somewhere here, and this is one of the things that I noticed when I'm talking to the founders of these companies and I'm saying, why are you taking these risks or why are you traveling at this speed?

Often the answer is, well, I have to get there before this other person.

And the other person was often one of their friends 10 years ago.

And I've got to get there before them because they're very dangerous.

And unless my models, they're ahead of them, we're going to be in trouble.

And then it moves on to, and anyway, the US has got to get ahead of China because they're also very dangerous.

So there's a sense that we're in a kind of America's cut race where we're speeding along and the storms coming in and the winds and the sails and everyone's saying, well, I can fix the safety, but I can't fix it in a way that's going to slow up my ship because I've got to get there ahead of them.

So obviously you were right at the core of building this thing.

How do we answer Jack's challenge here?

It seems a bit weird, doesn't it?

I mean, given these companies have literally are spending hundreds of billions of dollars and are able to pay single programmers $200 million a year.

How on earth does a government put together something that can actually run independent tests that actually do any good?

Because I can imagine the American companies swaggering around and saying, forget it.

You're never going to have the money.

You're never going to have the talent.

This is never going to work.

And how do the governments get the money to pay people in a competitive rate if they can all go off and work at Silicon Valley for much more money?

Okay.

Well, Jack, the problem that we've got is that AC is not the United Nations of which Demis Vassavis dreamt in this interview that he gave to you.

It's...