Jack Mate

They're not allowed to whip them.

And the whips now are like... They're like foam.

Are they?

Yeah, it's more like...

They're not even called whips anymore.

They're called, I can't remember what the PG term is now, but it's more to keep the horse in line.

If it's some horses veer and it's to keep them straight, or if they're going to go into another horse, it's to move them away and like keep them straight.

So they don't have a steering wheel then.

Kind of, but you're squatting on a half ton horse for like three miles, jumping over fences and you think it's just the horse.

It's more horse than man.

Yeah, you can't win without a good horse.

No.

But some jockeys... The difference in jockeys is unbelievable.

Who's the best jockey out there?

Jumps or flat?

Don't know.

Jumps.

Jumps is, in my opinion...

would be Jack oh no Paul Townend or Jack Kennedy you look at me like I know that when he said jump some flat did you think that was his answer I thought he said jump some flat I don't know well you can pick you know AP McCoy I do know AP McCoy AP McCoy's broken probably near enough every bone in his body I know Frankie DeTore Frankie DeTore was a good flat jockey yeah very good I met him at a petrol garage once and he went alright Frankie right he's the most irritating footballer on the way

Gabriel.