Jack Posobiec

theological idea has been transposed, if you will, within the Christian nationalist movement as part of its core philosophy.

Is that really what you're suggesting?

I'll take this point now.

Did you see in Hong Kong any particular response to Charlie Kirk's killing?

That was an interesting digression.

I wasn't expecting to hear that today.

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experience in Hong Kong of what you witnessed on the global outpouring of grief about Charlie Kirk you did mention however in your article

something interesting, which I picked up on.

And then I do want to dig down on, on the, the Pope Leo thesis, but staying on the subject of Charlie, you said that martyrdom has given Christian nationalism, what it had lacked, a canonized story of sacrifice usable by movements in the United States and beyond.

Um, well, I read that and that struck me as being true.