Jack Posobiec

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In and of itself.

But I also think that you could equally make the same suggestion.

I'm not taking that as a criticism or even as an accusation of cynicism on behalf of the Christian nationalist movement.

Just it's a simple empirical observation.

But isn't there a parallel, do you think, between what you say there about the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk and the public assassination of Martin Luther King in the 60s?

Okay, the part of your article, we have like seven or so minutes left of this interview, the part of the article I do want to push back on now is the idea that Leo, Pope Leo XIV,

can be a unifying point in opposition to Christian nationalism.

And the reason why I want to push back on that argument, and you talk about the fact that he has moral authority and his appeals to conscience.

The reason why I want to push back on that, Professor Reyes, is because I don't think he has the credibility that would take

with people who are in the Christian nationalist movement in order to talk them out of their positions.

Because the Christian nationalist movement is largely...

numerically evangelical rather than Catholic so they're gonna start off with evangelicals are going to start off with a negative view of the Pope and of itself they'll think you know basically he's just a communist agitator and arguably not even Christian and when he's pushing the position here

that you mention in your article about the inhuman treatment of immigrants and what have you and the juxtaposition between pro-life that Leo made and the death penalty and what have you.

All that's going to do is cement people who aren't disposed to him

to being even less disposed to him.

And I would suggest that the consequence of that is going to be he will, in fact, he will act as a unifying figure.

He will act as a unifying figure for people who are against him, and it will solidify them in the Christian nationalist movement.

I wanted to get your reading on that.

Okay, Professor Reyes, thanks for encapsulating where you're coming from there.