Jack Tame

But then if you look at the jobs that are going into Australia...

It's certainly true that a lot of the jobs that Kiwis are doing are like service jobs, really practical jobs, trades, mines, all that kind of stuff.

It's not the high level jobs.

It's not necessarily.

I mean, there are obviously Kiwis in the high level jobs, but yeah, they're very much well represented in the practical ones.

I mean, it's true that it's always been happening.

I think it's a problem if you can't stem the tide.

It's true that there has traditionally been a path, although you've got to kind of get citizenship first, which means you're spending a bit of time here, you're putting down roots and that kind of thing.

So it's a bit harder than just... It is a bit harder than just getting here and being here for six months and then going across.

But is it a problem?

I mean, I would say that it's a problem if you are spending a lot of resources, like in strictly economic terms, if you're spending a lot of resources...

investing in your people and educating them in their healthcare and all of that.

And then in their prime productive years, they're all going off to make a buck overseas instead.

And that means that they're not kind of contributing to the economy and the tax base and everything else.

Then that is going to be a problem over time.

And then there's the cultural stuff.

Like there are 170,000 Maori in Australia.

So one in six Maori on the planet lives in Australia.

How many in the South Island?

I mean, that's actually a very good question.