Jack Wagoner

What basket would you put them in?

Chris Brown, right?

That's crazy.

So where would school fit into that?

The classic, you go to school, you get a job, right?

And I know you went to school, you dropped out, but then you went back to school.

So obviously you're not fully on the side of no school.

At least you haven't been all your life.

Yeah, 100%.

What I found interesting in my just first, I guess, month and a half at school is you look at the business majors and I'll try to talk to them because I do marketing for a clothing brand.

I do my podcast.

I'm like, oh, so what have you learned?

And I try to have a conversation.

I'm like, oh, wow.

They really are not learning anything.

They're doing these PowerPoint presentations.

That's not what marketing has become in this day and age.

It's really interesting how far education seems to lag behind where the industry is at.

So one interesting thing about your journey is you did something that I think you hear a lot about from some of the top creators, such as yourself, Alex Ramosi, and it's work for someone for free that knows more than you and gain experience from them.

And you took it to an extreme.