Jacob Savage

Yeah, no, I think people, I think part of, you know, this is not part of the article, but part of the thing that I felt within my social milieu for the last decade is, you know,

Everyone pretended that they had to, that every political question had been agreed upon and that you were not allowed, that no one could disagree with sort of the New York Times' stance on anything.

And, you know, I think that among a lot of, I would say that combined with this DEI stuff in my own career just broke me politically and just made me question everything from the get-go.

There are a lot.

I think people swing back and forth.

I think what I did sense is even among my old friends who sort of were liberal, true believers and still sort of are...

is that they're not into it anymore in the way that they were a decade ago.

There's like an icing out that happened, even for people who held their noses and decided to vote for Kamala Harris.

I think...

there's no enthusiasm left among white men, my age for, you know, the mainstream democratic establishment.

Most of my friends at this point are married and have kids, and I think there's nothing that makes you more...

like both, but there's something that makes you both care less about politics and be less sort of dogmatic than just having to deal with your kids every day.

Like.

You're tired.

No, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, you know, I don't, I think, sorry, I lost my train of thought on the question, but I think people sort of have come to

around to the fact that not everyone agrees with them about everything.

And I think the more that that happens, the better for everyone.

They stopped three and a half and one and a half and they'd stopped sleeping a month ago.

So if I'm, if I'm not quite articulate enough, it's because of that.

I don't think that you're seeing the sort of...