Jacoby Shaddix

It's one of my favorite songs.

You went deep on that one.

Yeah.

That was a very like redeeming moment for the band because after Last Resort and Infest, our first album, we toured the world.

We sold millions of albums.

I'm telling you, dude, it was just like, we hit rock bottom for a minute and it was like, I remember going out and touring on Love Hate Tragedy, the album after that.

And we sold almost on the brink of a million records and it was considered like a commercial failure.

And I'm like-

fuck, like, is it over?

You know?

Cause at this time it was like music in pop culture was changing.

It was like the strokes had came out, the vines, the hives, you know, the white stripes, all this new wave of music was happening.

And we were not that, you know?

And I'm like, dude, how are we going to survive this?

And so we were back to the drawing board.

And this was right, Scars was right at the time when this was the first time I tried to get sober.

You know, I remember calling the producer, Howard Benson.

I in a blackout, I was I was like threatening to burn my house down.

And like it was, you know, luckily, my wife didn't call the cops.

She called my parents.