Jacoby Shaddix

Vulnerable.

Yeah.

There's something special about that.

And we held on to that.

We're like, we have to see this song through.

And we did.

And we got to the end of it.

And we presented the album to Jimmy Iovine at the time, was the president of the company.

And he's a very knowledgeable, well-respected industry music mogul.

and we turn turn the record into him and he hit us back and he's like well you know the song scars it's pretty good but i feel like you need to go back into the studio and re-record it to make it sound more like it's been a while by stained and i'm like fuck do you mean like it's like i just i just was kind of like taken back like god this this music business is like they're trying to tell us how to

do what we do.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

And I was very offended.

So we went in and rerecorded the song.

Right.

Okay.

And it was the most like average white guy, BS rock dribble that we had ever written.

We turned it in.

We're like, this is trash.

And so the version of scars that you hear now is the, was the original version that we turned into Jimmy Iovine.