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Jad Abumrad

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And some of the cells rupture, and so their insides, the amino acids, the proteins, those all go floating out into space.

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Wait, you're saying that the caterpillar just becomes like a soup of cells?

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And yet somehow... This soup will magically be transformed into a butterfly or moth.

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Well, how does that happen?

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That question, that question is the big, fat, metaphysical, quasi-religious, semi-mystical, philosophical question that people have been asking forever.

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He's a biologist and a historian.

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And he says back in the 1600s, when naturalists saw that goo, they just thought, oh, well, clearly what's happening is that the caterpillar goes into the chrysalis.

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And then it actually dies.

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This beautiful and completely new creature.

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Death, as it were, and then a kind of resurrection.

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He's a philosopher from the Claremont School of Theology.

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And he says, from the beginning, people thought about and wrote about metamorphosis as a kind of spiritual ascent.

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It says somewhere in the New Testament, behold, the old has passed away, the new has surely come.

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Basically, people saw the caterpillar as a symbol of our lowly, earthbound, lazy bodies, right?

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And then the butterfly was sort of casting away all of that, and it represented our soul up in heaven, sort of in its most perfect form.

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Never mind that butterflies actually like to eat.