Jake Humphrey

You know, if I have business ideas, I'll call him first, you know, bounce them off him.

And he tries not to be too pessimistic in his old age, but he is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is that the first time in your life you'd experienced that from an adult?

Because I think sometimes people have these... They come in your life at the right time.

Yeah.

And then you're really grateful and then you sort of never actually tell them that and they just float off into the distance.

And years later you think, man, why didn't I...

Tell them how I felt.

So I'm so pleased you did.

I rally against this phrase, toxic masculinity, right?

Because I think that any time we talk about masculinity being toxic, we're giving a message, you know, you've got a son, have you?

Yeah, yeah.

I worry that we're saying to them, oh, being masculine is toxic.

Absolutely, yeah.

And it really bothers me that.

I think that what we've done is we've got confused about what masculinity is and we think it's about dominance and it's about control and it's about exerting pressure and it's about pushing and finding limits.

Masculinity is none of those things.

Masculinity is strength, but that's not a bad thing.

Masculinity is also vulnerability.