Jake Humphrey

And they said, welcome, this is everyone who works for BT Sport.

And I was like, oh my goodness, okay.

But again, I was kind of putting myself out there and I wasn't ignoring the fact that there was a huge risk.

And even when I started high performance, I genuinely questioned, and as you know, questioned it many times, will people give two hoots about the conversations that we want to have?

So I think what that book taught me to do, feel the fear and do it anyway,

was that fear is not something to be eliminated right fear is actually something that if you sit there in the fear and still move forwards then i think you're on to a winner and i believe this about so many things in life you remember when we spoke to danny gray the mental health campaigner i sort of said to him people with mental health challenges are not the weakest people in the room they're the strongest people in the room

And I think if we've, you know, you and I, more than 400 episodes now of this show, I think probably the biggest insight, right, is that the people that we think are fearless, the people that we put on a pedestal, the people we see on the telly, we believe to be fearless, absolutely not true.

Elite performers are carrying anxiety, carrying doubt, carrying pressure.

And confidence, I think, is frequently something that people project.

It is not something...

that they feel, you know, fear is not the signal to stop.

It's the signal that something meaningful is happening.

And I love that clip from Tom Aspinall because he absolutely understands that, doesn't he?

Yeah, and I think I do.

I mean, I'm very good at saying to Harriet, I feel a bit scared about this.

you know, I think this could be an issue.

I suppose what I don't try and do is remove fear, suppress fear or outgrow it.

I mean, I think this idea of outgrowing fear is so wide of the mark, isn't it?

Like you literally don't outgrow it because as you grow, the fear becomes greater because the challenges become greater.

So I think actually normalising fear is something that I've learned to do.