Jake Humphrey

But when he first started working in television, he probably didn't know his way around a studio or putting on an earpiece or wearing a microphone.

This idea of humility and vulnerability when it comes to leadership, I think it's a really interesting conversation.

And I think that...

So often humility can relieve the pressure because as soon as we tie ourselves up into thinking I'm the person, I'm the winner here, I'm the one with the knowledge, I'm the one that can make this successful or unsuccessful, I think the whole thing falls apart.

I think this is a conversation about how high performers cope with pressure.

The answer is, mate, they do it by leaning into the people around them, as you know.

No single one of us is as good as a team of us.

And you must have experienced this so many times in the dressing rooms that you've worked in over the years, where you have certain players that can't get to that vulnerable place.

And therefore, it means that all of that pressure that comes with their job they're dealing with inside, internally, they're not able to just kind of share the load with anyone.

I also think that one really simple and easy test that you can do with people, right?

Go on.

It's just to see how much they ask you questions about you.

Yeah.

And often it's the people that don't ask you questions about you that they're just...

They're not able to share the load.

Do you know what I mean?

I think that an interest in other people, therefore an ability to lean into those people, therefore an ability to understand that you're part of a team, regardless of what you're doing in life, like this is a team sport, right?

Life is a team sport.

I think it says a lot about someone.

It's very, very nice.