James Chandler

I do remember my overriding feeling was, I just don't know if it's going to go back to the way it was before.

We'd all learned how to do Zooms and Teams and Google Meets badly.

but I really wasn't sure.

You just couldn't see if it was going to go back to before.

What were you doing in 2021?

Well, OpenAI never was.

They weren't set up in the same way.

Yeah, there was a non-profit, not a public benefit corporation.

But I guess, you know, this was the clarity that Dario was looking for from Sam Unwin to come out.

That's why they took all the time to write this stuff down.

It's why they became a PBC.

You know, it's why they did this, because that's...

what he felt was distinctly lacking from OpenAI.

They're on the record of what they want to do.

Now, they can still raise billions of pounds.

They can still get huge valuations.

But, you know, they are all about responsible AI development, not just making a ton of money that can pay out to investors and shareholders.

Yeah, of course.

And it's kind of interesting, like, as a name, Claude, if you think about something... Do you like the name?

Well, yeah, and it's, I think, probably intentionally quite human.