James Chandler

Hang on a minute.

You've been in this game for 10 years anyway.

I've only been doing it for a year.

Yeah, she was the CEO of Wondery.

Wondery, massive podcasting company, eventually got sold to Amazon.

So yeah, she's a big deal.

She's a big deal in audio.

Well, I think people have a strength of feeling about her, particularly people, I think, who work in audio, podcasting, music to some extent.

But she's a disruptor and she's looking to disrupt the current model as it stands in the way that podcasts are produced.

I think the clearest thing she said, and you'll hear it in a sec, is,

She's not running a media company.

She's running a technology business.

And I think the penny sort of drops and it's like she's not trying to disrupt the current podcast game by behaving like a podcast company.

She's doing something different.

And that is, I think, what rubs people because...

You know, there's a status quo.

There's a way of doing things.

There is progress that has been built up and built up and built up.

And she's pretty disruptive of that.

I see her as a complete pioneer in this space.