James Dolan

And actually, it goes for both teams.

And

And that meant we needed to evolve, actually beyond the old traditional coaching formulas, etc.

And we tried to work that with Tom.

It really wasn't his thing.

What are you referencing there?

No, that's some of it, right?

But it's much more about style of leadership, right?

Collaboration versus...

um sort of lone wolf type of thing yeah got it thank you for giving me the word that's better than the one i was thinking um but you know the the because of the way particularly basketball but but also hockey too the way the sport's evolving the the how much more complicated it is

We're very, very big on development in both clubs because you can't – it's not like the old days, like the old Yankees where you get Reggie Jackson and this guy and this guy that put together a team.

It's really – it's almost impossible to do that in the NBA.

Yeah.

you have to home grow some of your talent.

And that also builds up trade currency, et cetera.

But it's a development thing, and that's a team of people.

There's literally 20 people who are specifically dedicated to developing the players, to getting their skill levels up, to getting the strategy on the court.

Right, and that's important for the development of a franchise.

And that really, you know, Tom liked development, but he didn't really...

Or be unlikely that you would.