James Oaten

You know, they've said that there's photo evidence, there's social media posts, all this stuff that shows the family moving within this territory controlled by Islamic State and repeated posts from her.

gloating about Islamic State success or gloating that only a few Australians who had gone there had actually gone back and make of that as you will, essentially saying,

everyone who's come here, almost everyone who's come here still loves Islamic State or still supports them.

And the defense never questioned that it was her making these social media posts.

And from that, they've then said that there's been no renunciation of that ideology since then.

Therefore, they just don't know what kind of a threat she still poses.

And they've made another argument.

She was married three times, three different husbands.

Her first husband that she traveled with died.

And then as we discussed in the first episode, women were expected to marry.

So she married again and again.

They've even said that he's still alive somewhere or suspected to be alive somewhere.

He's not in the country.

But even that itself, they've said that makes a connection.

No, not strong enough.

Too late, too little is the summary.

Yep.

And, you know, it was interesting and, you know, I don't know if you can ever talk about court cases like you can politics with tactics and so on, but it is, you know, I did note that those comments that she made

now, from defense, detests Islamic State.

She detests their ideology, really pushing the point that men were in control of women there, and she's learned, or she accepts, that that is an evil way of doing things.