James Oaten

Let's use that phrase.

It wasn't pushed hard early, which there is a difference between that already and her mother Corsa and their defence team made that argument straight off the bat.

And same with one of the other women who's been charged, Rayanne L. Hooley.

Again, defence made that argument very high off the bat.

Now-

Ultimately, a magistrate, chief magistrate judge will accept all the evidence.

Perhaps it doesn't matter so much about the order of the evidence.

They don't quite work like we do in the media.

But fundamentally what the chief magistrate here has said is those comments from Zainab Ahmed were only made after she was arrested and after she was separated from her young daughter.

She has a young daughter who was born in the Syrian refugee camps and

And so those comments did not hold as much weight, anywhere near enough weight, had perhaps she had made those comments far sooner before she was charged.

Perhaps if she had spoken to Kurdish officials and made more social media posts, I don't know what her access to the phone was like in the camps, but it was too late, too little.

That's the best way to summarize it.

Well, I think first of all, one of the things that they did push back on the AFP and the prosecution was almost just saying it's ridiculous, this idea that she is still a threat.

The AFP never went into detail or the prosecution never went into detail about how she could be a threat or what she could potentially do here in Australia.

First of all, she's obviously removed from Islamic State.

Secondly, it's not

the organisation it once was.

You know, there's only remnants kind of of it left.

But, you know, there's still a terrorism threat.