James Parsons

And I have no doubt, like, a tupo ta'iloa miracle whānau will have –

People knocking on the agent's door trying to get them out of... Do you know what I mean?

That's just the nature of the business.

So what I'm saying... My point was is if you've got a privatised backer that doesn't have that threat, it actually gives you the ability to build...

a very, very strong squad that will compete and then some.

And it's the same thing, I suppose, that New Zealand teams face.

You know, it's no different, but I suppose the pathways are so well set up

in New Zealand that it's almost the next person up fits in.

But, you know, is there that, I mean, Miracle Filing is a perfect example.

He actually is the, I mean, actual pathway into Moana Pacifica to create his career.

I think if they could build something more like that, it doesn't really matter where they're based.

If it's Auckland, if it's Sydney, I'm not worried about that, or if it's Tonga, sweet as, but if they create an on-the-ground pathway,

you know like i think that was world rugby's biggest issue is like well we want to see the pathway shown for pacific players but where they've got to have some context is the japanese schools and saying hey come over here for opportunity or new zealand schools yeah yeah yeah

And sometimes you've got to utilise other resources to set it up.

But yeah, I would be interested to know where will rugby sit in this whole conversation as well, because they obviously did invest initially.

There's no window.

It goes into the international season.

So...

Yeah, there's just not a big enough footprint.

I suppose this comes back to the whole global calendar.