James Pietragallo

That's true.

I feel like back then, again, easier to start anything.

And there's a lot of also westward migration at this point too.

So the timing is right here.

Because I remember the late 60s is when Hunter Thompson was complaining about the real estate going crazy in Aspen and ruining everything basically.

So he founded a company, too, Helmic Mortgage as well.

So he's a land developer with a mortgage company.

So I got the land to sell you, and I'll lend you the fucking money, which is where the money's at, by the way.

He's the bank.

Yeah, that's why there's loan sharks, because you keep paying the fucking VIG.

If you can sign normal people up to pay VIG for 30 years, and it's legal, holy shit.

Like, you're a gangster at that point.

Yeah.

You're going to pay twice to three times what your house costs.

Yep.

Eventually paying that.

So he has several businesses, including partial ownership in a title company, uh,

He also – his company was involved in building a Mesa County subdivision called Krista Lee, which one of his daughters' name is Christy.

So he owns the mortgage company and caters to new homes and business owners.

He's making money on every part of the transaction.