James Rosen

Partly, partly.

And as well, and Nixon can be heard on the tape saying this,

He did not want to, as much as he wanted to punish the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moore, for running a spy ring against the National Security Council under Nixon and Kissinger for a year in wartime, where they had this young enlisted man, this Navy stenographer, Yeoman Charles Radford, pilfering these documents, as much as Nixon wanted to punish all involved, not only did he recognize that it would jeopardize some very sensitive operations around the world,

and including the attempt to negotiate the end to the Vietnam War.

But he also felt that he did not want to contribute to the vilification of the armed forces in a time when, as they were returning from Vietnam, many GIs were jeered as baby killers.

Nixon did not want to contribute to the vilification of the armed forces.

And even after Watergate broke,

And the Republicans on the Senate Watergate Committee, Howard Baker, came to him and said, Mr. President, the plumbers broke into Watergate.

They broke into Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office.

But they also uncovered this situation where the Joint Chiefs were spying on you for a year in wartime.

Let us publicize this.

This will help save your presidency.

And Nixon, to his credit, said no.

He said the armed forces are more important.

And he knew by that point anyway that his presidency was doomed.

Before the break, I was talking about how I was the first researcher to hear the tape of those meetings of Nixon being informed of all this in 1971 when they came out in 2000.

And I published them in The Atlantic and then in my book in the early 2000s.

I am now with this article that appeared in Sunday's New York Times, which you're kind to help me promote.

I'm now the first researcher to obtain another very important piece of evidence concerning this military spy ring and Nixon's responses to it.

This is seven pages of ex-President Nixon's grand jury testimony in 1975 that were held classified, that were restricted even from the grand jurors.