James Stout

This is called certiorari before judgment.

It's how the case got to the Supreme Court.

This, I should note, is different from the Venezuela case where the TPS was terminated because the numbers are much smaller and therefore it's going to be harder for the U.S.

government to show harm, right?

It pertains to 30,000, 40,000 people, if I had to guess.

By contrast, it's very easy for people to show potential harm in Haiti or Syria, right?

Just to give an example of Syria, there has been violence directed against Alawites and

Druze people and Kurds largely unimpeded by the government since Assad fell last year.

And Syria remains on the State Department's do not travel list.

Yeah, you had some stuff about Prairieland you want to share, I know.

Yeah, this is a very bleak case, and I don't really have much to add.

It's very sad.

Mm-hmm.

Thank you, Mia.

And for a final segment, I'm going to talk about the ongoing war against Iran, which I guess we're still deciding if it's a war or not.

Earlier this week, Donald Trump denied the existence of uncrewed surface vessels, something Garris and I talked about in a podcast that came out earlier this week.

I'm just going to pay you the clip.

Yeah, so uncrewed surface vessels are real?

Yes, they sure are.

They've been used massively in Ukraine, among other places.