James Vyver

There was what we have reflected on as quite extreme violence when it comes to

An old couple, an elderly couple in their 70s just sat at home watching the telly.

The level of violence that was involved there seemed disproportionate and we've talked about that before and they've obviously since been convicted of those crimes.

But in 2008, it's not a million miles away.

You know, this guy's just driving a truck.

Do you really need to hit him in the face with knuckle dusters, you know, the cable ties and so on and so forth?

And so I suppose on a human level, that's the thing that strikes me is the similarities there of that willingness to use violence and violence.

to put yourself above the person who may be harmed in that process.

Oh, fine.

You know, par for the course.

Pretty good.

Whilst journos are sort of professional gossips, really, we are good at keeping the secrets that matter.

I've had people who have been in my family who've had cancer, some have survived, some hasn't.

They all have a particular, people might be familiar with this, there's sort of a grayness to people, sadly, that are suffering from that disease.

As soon as I saw the way that he looked, I recognized that.

There were definitely times when he was unsteady on his feet coming into the dock, quite a tall man, and he was being helped to his position in the court by the corrections officers.

It was around about a week or so in, in the early days of the trial where, as Liz mentioned, he went off to hospital a couple of times.

I moved around the public gallery a bit just to sort of get different perspectives and watch different people and different interactions and so on.

That day I happened to be sat right really close, really a couple of meters away from the doc.

And I could see that he was struggling and he was telling the interpreter that, you know, he was struggling to breathe.