James Vyver

I can't breathe.

I can't breathe, he was saying.

And then everything came to a screeching halt and off he went.

So the extent to which it was the treatment, the disease that he is suffering from, you know, the gravity of the situation, a combination of all two, obviously we don't really know that.

Justice Mossop was frustrated by the interruptions, not at Vakoni's illness.

per se, but just at the interruptions to the flow of the case that he was trying to get up and running at that stage.

Yeah, thanks, Stockie.

Just a second, what Liz said about Irma and the intricacy of the case.

I haven't been thinking about it quite as long as Liz, but I definitely have been thinking about Irma and the family a lot.

So glad we could do this.

We're all vulnerable.

Hey, Stockie.

Yeah, and it's less about the Hungarian-ness of them per se, all of the people involved.

And the sense I get is it's more that it's just they were a part of a community that just happened to be Hungarian, if that makes sense.

And so, like any community, people chat and gossip and pass on things perhaps that they shouldn't.

How that happened in this case, as Liz says, we don't know really.

There was a time when I started researching this story at the end of last year.

And just funny how coincidence works out.

My wife and I had gone to buy something from Facebook.

It was a deceased estate from a house in Canberra.