Jamie Carragher

He's been a huge leader there.

I think vice-captain at times as well.

So I think he'll be almost brought as a wild card to maybe bring on in a certain situation, different to Trent, maybe to hold on to a game, but also to almost maybe be a bridge between the coaching staff and the playing staff.

I think he will.

What's your opinion then on Adam Wharton?

Because for me, he goes and Elliot Anderson is in the England team right now ahead of Adam Wharton, who's not always in the squad, but I would put Adam Wharton in.

You're a fan of his, aren't you?

I'm a fan of Adam Wharton.

Who?

Kobi Mainu.

No.

But listen, not just on the two performances, it's also, I've got to think of what he's done for England.

He's played in a final.

He was in the last tournament two years ago.

Now, he's got to have a good run between now and the end of the season.

But what we saw him do for England, I always go back to the Holland game.

I think that was the game that

you've maybe brought him in.

I don't know if it was the game before, but I remember the Holland game.

Was that the quarter-final or the semi-final?