Jamie Laing

We now label things, emotions, right?

That's anxiety, that's OCD, that's depression, that's insomnia.

And when you label something, in my experience, it becomes scarier.

It becomes something.

You become experienced in it, right?

And there's something about that naivety that makes us still be free.

That makes total sense.

fulfilled from helping others because if we go back to you know there's this and you speak of as well if you go back to Socrates right yeah Socrates talks about two levels of happiness yes he talks about the lower level right which is you know this far better than me but the lower level which is you know fame and wealth and power and all the things that we think we want to achieve and eating great sweets and eating delicious sweets really

But the higher level is helping people.

Did you talk about Socrates, which is, you know, just a completely different time.

But they sort of had it right.

They understood what created this happiness, what created a fulfilled life.

And somehow along the way, we've lost it.

Do you think we're focusing too much more on short-term happiness rather than long-term happiness?

But I can argue it, right?

Because how could that be?

If all your happiness, right, is based around...

parties or that sort of hedonistic style right like so you're going out partying and they're dating whatever it may be surely like with anything you're going to keep needing more of it more of it more of it more of it to become content yeah so actually then you're you're constantly chasing whatever this is and you think you're happy but are you truly happy

Okay, Robert, if someone's listening right now, and they are really struggling with being quiet and still...

And they're chasing and they don't want to stop.