Jamie Wall

Yeah, but how can you be embarrassed when 10,000 turn out to a first 15 game?

Oh, no, but they're insane, mate.

They get more than that.

They get 110,000 in some of those stadiums for college games.

Can I go now?

Go out to Penrose and watch a game out there.

Oh, no, I've been there as well.

And afterwards, the experience is awful, isn't it?

Do you like any political parties?

Where's the answer?

What's the answer for you here?

If you love rugby, what is the answer?

They've had to be because they were so far behind the eight ball.

But look how they've come forward, though.

Yeah, they have come forward.

And everyone knows this and everyone sees this, right?

But rugby still has the cream of the very top, which is the All Blacks, and it still has that.

What it's done, I think, is that it's...

Well, but it still has the greatest team in New Zealand is the All Blacks, and they're still the most supported team.

And if you go overseas, mate, you only have to wear an All Blacks jersey and you realise that more people know about the All Blacks overseas than they know about our country.