Jan Elman

What's the last one you read?

The last one I read is How to Fill at Nearly Everything and Still Win Big.

by Scott Adams.

And some don't consider it a business book, but a comic book.

Yeah, and he's very good in putting out how you should anticipate failure and enjoy it so that you can truly learn from it.

And I think in the technology world, although we often say it, embrace or fail fast and all those kind of buzzwords,

We still have a big fear of really doing it and really admitting I was wrong at these 10 things and I've learned something from it.

Um, under the radar.

Hmm.

Well, maybe what I'm most impressed about is, is our CEO.

So I've been CEO of the company for 15 years.

And two years ago, my CEO came to me, and he'd been managing the company for me for about five, six years.

And he came to me and he said, I want your job.

I think I can do it better.

And that was quite shocking.

If you've been the CEO 15 years, it's a big ego step to go down and say, you know what, I'll go back into doing what I'm best at, which is evangelizing the company and the product.

So he took over all these, this whole operational role from me and it has worked out extremely well for, uh, for the company.

And a side benefit for me is I sleep a lot better at night without being the CEO.

I still get to do all the cool things.

I actually sleep eight hours every night and I think everybody should, it's unhealthy to sleep less than eight hours.